NeuropathicGuy wrote: Immediately after that my thoughts became "wow this is really weird" and "please let this be over quickly and may I never see either of these people on the street in the future".

That made me LOL.well as for the drinks I wouldn't get drunk for your sake.A glass of wine(no hard liquor)would be ok I suppose.Well as for the botox atleast you won't be fiddling with your bum as much applying creams n'all.

Haha dude my position for the Botox shots actually looks a lot like your avatar!

HA I was in the same position today when the doc checked my bum.

speaking of spasming... what does it feel like? when do you guys get them and for how long? I think i get one right after i wipe, and it lasts for about 3 seconds...
I'm just not sure i know what exactly spasm is...

AF's can cause the internal sphincter/muscle to go into contractions for want of a better term. For me it would just ache really bad. I think stress and worry can contribute to that whole mess also.

I got spasms the night after my last retear and it happened every night for the next 4 days.My spasms felt like my sphincter wall was trying to implode into my rectum.It was a throbbing pain with waves of contractions lasting for two hours and at worst four before it would taper off.I think Cheryl is right,stress and worry felt like it made things worse but when your in that amount of pain it's hard not to stress out and worry.

Stress and worry are bad for everything! But sometimes it is difficult to try to remain calm and cool when a person is in pain, like you say!! My Mayo GI doc tells me I shouldn't worry about anything!

cherylk wrote:Stress and worry are bad for everything! But sometimes it is difficult to try to remain calm and cool when a person is in pain, like you say!! My Mayo GI doc tells me I shouldn't worry about anything!

my doc was very nonchallant about my visit. She examined me and basically said " you have 2 af's and one has a skin tag, put this cream on it and you'll be fine, k thx bye"
Typical kaiser permanente doctor...

I use to go to Kaiser.The new clinic I go to makes Kaiser look like a ghetto clinic.My general surgeon spent close to half an hour with me.He examined my bum,he asked about my experience,he did the general explanation of af and treatments he will use,I fired a lot of questions at him and he was cool and very patient and answered all of them.Thats the kind of doc you want.If your af is not healed by 3 months I suggest you go see another doc(preferably a CRS) because I would not be comfortable with your current one and rightfully so.

Hey NG,
HOws things now after the Botox?? I still have to use both Diltiazem and GTN after TWO lots of botox an to be honest i think im going to end up with surgery of some sort :( xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx