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Re: laws of nature

Postby Just 'Pain' Tired » 04 Jun 2013, 23:22

I think more people are not responding because you are coming across so strong in your views. You seem to want to preach and not terribly open to a two-way conversation. I think, because you are on this website, that you could use some support or ideas outside your frame of reference. Is there anything you would like ideas about? Remember, we're all in this together. Different approaches seem to help different people. We're all trying to figure out what works best for us. I wish only painfree days for you.
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Re: laws of nature

Postby jr2 » 05 Jun 2013, 00:58

See, here's the thing about declarative statements and so-called "laws of nature". There will always always be exceptions. My experience over 30 years with severe digestive illness as well as having communicated with hundreds of others with digestive illnesses is that no one dietary solution works for everyone. In my case, specifically, a raw food diet and vegan diet experiment were both disasters in every way. My health deteriorated even more. And I have known others in whom the same was true. I have also known people with digestive problems who greatly improved by a raw diet.
The key is an open mind and realizing that everyone needs to take the time and put in the effort to get to know their own body and what is best for them. There are no declaratives that will work for everyone. Which is what makes sites like these so valuable. Everyone can share their own experience and what has worked and hasn't worked in their individual experience, what different doctors and research studies have said, and in this way we build an information resource that can be of help to everyone.
You have a right to believe your way is the best way, and for you and your body, that may be the perfect truth, but it isn't the only way and it doesn't work for everyone. Shutting doors and closing minds to different approaches and declaring one truth for all isn't nearly as useful as being open to other ways besides your own.
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Re: laws of nature

Postby Luka » 05 Jun 2013, 01:45

I completely agree with Just 'Pain' Tired and jr2. You need to realize that raw diets won't work for everyone. What works for you may not work for others. That doesn't mean their diet is "wrong" and "against nature." Everybody's body is different and everyone on this forum is just trying to find what works best for them, through trial and error and lots of research (medical articles, journals, online articles, this forum, etc).
Saying the raw diet is the be-all and end-all of all diets (with no medical evidence quoted, I might add) and criticizing others for eating cooked food is just preaching and is not leaving anything open for discussion.
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Re: laws of nature

Postby saintkilledher » 05 Jun 2013, 08:51

But we are not designed to cook our food...people are not listening to the facts...its not my opinion, its 100% facts...the cold hard light of day facts..we are the only speices that cooks and tampers with our food....you see what im saying??people that say they tried raw foods and it made them worse are not being honest with them selves... so many co factors are involved.meds can shag things up and other things,stress is a biggy.
I can see how going raw can make people freak and stress out ,i seriously do,it can put a strain on socialising,but at the end of the day youre health and recovery is the most important thing.I dont want to sound preachy but you have to understand that we are mostly made up of water...70% and our brain 85% our liver 92%..we have to eat plant foods to get that much needed water to feed our cells and get that oxygen and blood flowing.processed foods have no water content in them and once you cook plant foods they loose the water content in them and become starchy and loose the enzymes and nutrients..am i making sense?and again as i have said a few times you dont have to go 100% raw...I do raw till 5 then eat a cooked dinner with a large salad..during the day I snack on raw unsalted nuts and fruit all day and drink plenty of pure water.
when you have a bm on a mostly raw diet they are so smooth and easy to have....this will sound krass but on a mostly raw food diet you wont know you have had a crap till it hits the water.
also there are the top 7 alergen foods you might want to look at..food alergies can cause fissures and constipation/dirrhea and ibs.....heres the list
wheat
dairy
soy
corn
eggs
peanuts
shell fish
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Re: laws of nature

Postby Luka » 05 Jun 2013, 10:50

*sigh* I give up.
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Re: laws of nature

Postby daveh » 05 Jun 2013, 11:24

"we are the only species that cooks and tampers with our food". We are the only species that does many things my friend.......mainly because we are the only species smart enough to figure this stuff out. There is a train of thought that the reasons humans have evolved so intelligently compared to other species intelectual stagnation is because we are the only species that heats our food up before we eat it. I agree with the other guys here, you come across as somebody who has a point of view and is on a mission to get as many people as possible to follow your ways, rather than being here to try and help people with their problems like everybody else around here.
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Re: laws of nature

Postby suzyljank » 05 Jun 2013, 12:03

Hi, I have to agree with the others, this diet would not work for everyone. I for one have IBS and eating raw fruits and vegetable would keep me in the bathroom the entire day. My system does not digest raw foods well. I have to eat a moderated fiber diet that includes cooked fruits and veggies and grains. I can have some raw fruits and veggies but I have to include them as part of my meal. Like a salad with dinner or a cup full of cherries with lunch. I wish I could eat unlimitied fruit, I love them but I can't. To each his own I guess but as individuals we have to do what works for us. I'm glad your diet is working for you and wish you continued success. Suzy
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Re: laws of nature

Postby saintkilledher » 05 Jun 2013, 23:37

sigh ......I give up too.
stick to youre crap processed american diets
tried to help people but as they say most people cant see logic and reality for the hills.
if you see a person that is stuck in mud.. you dont say its my opinion that that person is stuck in mud
its a fact.
an opinion is something like this ..its my opinion that red looks good on you .
its a fact that no other living being cooks the food they eat and makes processed food and drinks alcohol and soda pop and coffee.
smokes fags.. injects drugs.
I seriously can not believe I have to spell it out this way to people.
if you want to heal the body....you have to go back to how nature works.
all living creatures need lots of water and real food.....yes thats raw food....just how its found.
when was the last time you saw a bear cooking its fish or drinking a whisky????
when was the last time you saw a oven and a frying pan next to a berry tree or a nut tree in the woods?
I have healed my fissure ...I was kidding myself just like most people I was eating processed foods and cooking my veg.
then after 3 years and 5 months i said to myself this is just insane...I have to get real.
so I did what all other creatures do.....and eat food how its found in nature.
and guess what ...my fissure healed...along with my ibs and acne and muscle cramps.
so those that say raw natural food is not for everyone....what are you SPECIAL???
did the lord say you are the chosen one.. you have been given special teatment from the rest of all living creatures??
fissures can also be a prelude to anal cancer....you need to take this condition seriously.
if you dont believe me ask youre doctor.
youre body is crying out for water and raw plant foods...thats why you have a fissure ...something is not rite.
the anal canal does not easily tear if everything is working correctly and healthy.
seems most people would rather live in horrible pain than get out of their comfort zone.
no truer saying ..YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT.
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Re: laws of nature

Postby saintkilledher » 05 Jun 2013, 23:41

thats insane to say its human inteligence to drink alcohol kill its food by cooking it and make all this crap we call food...ohh dear
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Re: laws of nature

Postby saintkilledher » 05 Jun 2013, 23:57

im not saying you have to be a saint with youre diet...im far from perfect
but i realized i had to eat like we are meant to eat and it cured me...and it cured my IBS and acne and fatigue..have come to the conclusion most people dont want to give up what they love....even if it means illness...just look at the smokers that are dying in hospital they sneak out to have a smoke...to bad for their kids thier leaving behind...guess its just human nature not wanting to open their mind and get out of their box.
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