by NeuropathicGuy » 02 Jun 2011, 23:38
Hey Alpha, I agree with all of the previous comments -- take what works for you. If it's ibuprofen, then by all means take it. I wouldn't worry too much about the bleeding risk. It's true that ibuprofen can thin blood but for a smallish incision a few days after the fact, any risk should be negligible (my personal non-medical opinion only). Ibuprofen and other NSAIDs are commonly given following surgery. Aspirin is supposed to be a more powerful anticoagulant than ibuprofen so maybe just steer clear of that.
Standard dose for over the counter ibuprofen here in the US is up to 600 mg I believe. Prescription ibuprofen is 800 mg -- that's the most you can have in a single dose due to the risk of GI tract bleeding. I personally can't stomach ibuprofen or most other NSAIDs, so I can't speak to what amounts would be effective for post-LIS pain though. But lots of folks with arthritis take the 800 mg tablets. Just make sure to always take it with food to decrease the GI bleeding risk! I think maximum daily dosage is somewhere around 3 grams for ibuprofen, but please do check that with your doctor if you plan on taking a lot of it.
And yep, opiates make a lot of people nauseous, especially in the beginning. The nausea usually subsides after a day or two. If it doesn't you can always ask for an antiemetic to suppress nausea as Dawn says.
Also, the other thing to bear in mind is that it's perfectly safe to take NSAIDs like ibuprofen in combination with opiate based drugs like Vicodin. In fact the effect is synergistic if you take them together. The only cautions here are to #1 remain below the maximum daily dose for any one drug and most importantly #2 DO NOT take anything else containing acetaminophen (paracetamol overseas) when taking Vicodin. I don't know what strength your Vicodin are, but if they're the most commonly prescribed 5 mg hydrocodone + 500 mg acetaminophen ones, then you can run up against the maximum daily dose of acetaminophen real quick. Vicodin and its cousins such as Lortabs and Norcos can contain vastly different amounts of acetaminophen so make sure you check the label clearly.
Finally, my unsolicited two cents: I've had some nagging chronic health issues (mostly chronic pain that isn't actually dangerous but just bothersome) for a few years now, and basically have a bottomless prescription to opiates such as Vicodin. Kind of both funny and macabre considering my age, but whatever. On occasion I take other opiates such as codeine, oxycodone (Percocet), morphine sulfate, etc., but mostly it's just Vicodin taken as needed. And IMO opiates are hands down the gold standard when it comes to pain (with the exception being neuralgias or neuropathic pain which opiates don't do much for). For all else, including muscular pain and post-surgical pain, there's just nothing that comes close to opiates if you ask me.
So really the question to me would be exactly how much pain you're in. If it's tolerable, then stick with what you're comfortable with. If it's really bad, I would go with the Vicodin. I felt real sick on it early on too but that stopped after a couple days in. I usually take it with a small snack (for example a few handfuls of potato chips, some crackers, or a little bowl of instant noodles). Taking it on an empty stomach causes me abdominal pain, and taking it with too much food increases the odds that I'll feel like puking. A light snack with a glass of water would be your best bet opiate-wise IMO. Also, Vicodin tablets are never enteric coated to my knowledge, so if your tablets are scored down the middle (this means that they were intended by the vendor to be splittable), you can always break them in half and take only half. That's a good way to get some pain relief and also get accustomed to the drug. Maybe half a Vicodin plus a 200 mg ibuprofen or something (they actually make something called Vicoprofen for this purpose -- it's hydrocodone + ibuprofen without the acetaminophen).
Oh yeah, and some folks like to lie down for about 20 minutes or so after taking opiates. It's supposed to help alleviate nausea and dizziness. Never did much for me, but a lot of people much more experienced with drugs than myself swear by it, so I think I'm the exception rather than the rule.
Ok and one last thing (promise :)): I saw that you mentioned sleeping. After LIS, I always took Vicodin just before bedtime. It makes me drowsy, and I'm a lifelong insomniac, so that works out nicely for me. I never got awoken by pain while sleeping, but it's possible if you don't take enough painkillers and some pain breaks through. Doesn't seem overly likely with LIS since a lot of the pain there is centered around pooping, sitting, and physical activity, but it's not impossible. Anyway if you do have trouble sleeping due to pain, there are of course also sleeping pills that most doctors are happy to give to post-operative patients. I didn't require any after LIS, but I do take Ambien (zolpidem) and Lunesta (eszoplicone here in the States but the zoplicone isomer is available elsewhere) on occasion for insomnia. Ambien is the stronger of the two but does make you feel like you're on drugs. Lunesta isn't quite as effective, but is very gentle (almost unnoticeable) and produces next to no side effects for me (the risk of respiratory depression when used with opiates is also said to be lower). Definitely no nausea. Perhaps another option to consider if you want to avoid the opiates altogether.
Anyway I'll shut up now that I sound like a major drug pusher :) Just to make it clear, ideally we wouldn't need any of these drugs. But the reality is some people do and it's really a question of whether the risks or side effects outweigh the benefits. Hopefully my unfortunately extensive experience with this stuff helps you make your decision haha.